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okay

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what's up this is Sean and this is Jay

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a little due respect to the Air Force I

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believe that some of them will prove to

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I did it

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you got a new open you haven't opened

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it's nice I like it we have a new open I

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like it right for those that don't know

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Sean spins an inordinate or has been in

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the past an inordinate amount of time on

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our opens and he's done such a bang-up

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job of it like I have a film degree and

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I'm still amazed at like how quickly and

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well you can throw together an open it's

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insane

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um but that one was that was great and

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also I I was surprised to see Donald

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Kehoe in there that was cool

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yeah you know it's uh the Donald Keyhole

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thing

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you know I've seen it used in uh other

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UFO stuff before uh very seldom but I

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feel like most people know about the

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Samford clip so General Sanford there's

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a 1952 press conference

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um after the Washington DC sightings in

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Sanford took up most of it but at the

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end then Donald Kehoe comes on you know

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and then you see that clip and I feel

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like most people forget about that clip

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um because he's just like listen

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these are I think these are

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interplanetary origin man

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it's in chronicity because you know what

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I'm gonna do a little bragging here I

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hope you don't mind is and it just

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happens to be right here on the table

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like yesterday in the mail I received a

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first edition copy of Donald kehoe's

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flying saucers from outer space it's the

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second one oh and um it was it was only

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19 bucks I found it for only 19 bucks

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online

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um wow which was crazy and so I was just

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scrolling through stuff and I was like

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yep getting that um didn't even think

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twice about it and it's great um uh

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because it's you know hey remember this

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do you remember that photo Leslie has a

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copy of that up on her up on her um

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let's see that again

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uh it's uh Salem Massachusetts oh yeah

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it's the National Guard guy took that

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photo

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yeah and they actually actually I

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believe that your Force tried to and you

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don't see this photo very often but the

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Air Force tried to

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duplicate it with an experiment and it

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doesn't look the same work yeah not at

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all and yeah Seaman Albert's shell yeah

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so anyway

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um but um for those that don't know

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Kehoe was a really central figure early

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on and he was especially Central early

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on because

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um he had the cooperation of folks in

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the Air Force this was before the Air

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Force really started to to kind of clamp

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down and take up and you know took that

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position that they've held largely

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speaking for about 70 years now where

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they just where they don't give up

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anything for the most part

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um and they were actually really

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first couple books

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um and so this was the one this was kind

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of like the last gasp of of the Air

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record or at least having actual

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spokespeople come out and talk about

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them like you were talking about on TV

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and elsewhere

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um so anyway that was really cool to see

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good old donkey over there yeah it

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didn't take too much time for the Air

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uh blaming Donald Keough for

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for all the all the sightings like uh

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man his book came out and all right you

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know this true magazine thing came out

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and then all of a sudden people started

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reporting stuff yeah so

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oh yeah yeah yeah

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um now did you did you get that from um

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cliffstone's files or did you get that

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from elsewhere no that's uh in the

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archives man that's just I actually like

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on my website witnesscitizen.com you go

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to research tools and there's a link

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that says Blue Book photos you click on

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that and it's a Google Drive of every

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Blue Book photo in the archives I think

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there's over a hundred and I downloaded

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them all and put them in the Google

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and and so you can see there's a lot of

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different versions that we'd never see

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um yeah that's great so great for a lot

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of them I actually

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too so you can see here you go to Blue

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and yeah let's go yeah we got

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Massachusetts done here you click on

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that and you have the photos to the left

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and then to the right you have the

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actual file

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so beautiful two Coast Guard

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photographers observed and photographed

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four bright lights over Salem Coast

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so so good yeah and that was that was 71

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years ago look at that already uh yeah

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great case

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um I know that it's Leslie one of Leslie

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Kane's favorite

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um favorite cases involving photographic

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evidence

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um and uh it's so cool to have that

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little tie there that's great yeah

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there's there's a lot of interesting

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photographs in there there's some that

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are just like that can't be real of

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um you know is what it is but we have

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uh we actually have some news which is

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always fun I oh yeah you know where

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you're not just like kind of scraping

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the ground for

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to talk about yeah so we sure do the

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first one I think that we could talk

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about that um is uh probably the most

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popular I guess you could say is the uh

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the the Iraq or the

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sure Muslim Iraq orb so Jeremy Corbell

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and George knepp started a new podcast

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called weaponized

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um which I think airs on Tuesdays at

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midnight so

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for the first podcast uh it was just a

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lot of history about both of them how

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they started uh the other things that

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they're interested in and everything it

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kind of a lead up to uh the things that

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they're going to be talking about so and

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on this first episode they unveiled a

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couple new things the first of which was

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a very short recorded testimony uh from

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one of the Navy guys that was a part of

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the 2019 West Coast drone swarms UFO

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swarms event

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um it was really short he didn't give a

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name or anything and he said all he

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really basically said is they came in

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from one way

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and they left the other way so Jeremy

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corbell's big thing was that was big to

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him because

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um if it was like a drone or something

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it would probably leave the same way it

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so that's what you got there and then

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yeah do you want to should we show that

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you know this website has so many goofy

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ads it is unreal but I feel like I'm

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just getting viruses with it on my

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computer right now you're just worming

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your way into my hard drive yeah so for

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some for some reason I get a few less

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ads on mine but it's still overwhelming

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a little less than that but

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um just in case anybody you know this

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edition of witness citizen brought to

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you by Hulu and Facebook and we don't

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have any sponsors yeah but

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you know so I'm not going to leave it up

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too long because that's just like too

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much but um

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um do you want to go through it just a

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little bit the story would you mind sure

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yeah of course um I grabbed the photo

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uh dailymail.com obtained an exclusive

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image of a metallic looking orb flying

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over in Iraq city Iraqi City caught on

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video by a us spy plane the image

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captured in April 2016 by an

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intelligence reconnaissance plane was

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on UFOs shown to multiple U.S government

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agencies and so before we go on one part

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of this yeah is that that um this still

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plane flying over mosul Iraq

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um tracking along or flying through for

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about one second of that time of that

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four seconds but right now we don't even

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still we just have a still that may just

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um that could be from a PowerPoint

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presentation something those nuts it's a

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screen grab and apparently this kind of

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the other stuff Jeremy corbel released

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so is it's an unclassified photo that's

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a part of a classified presentation and

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it seems like that is from the same uh

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group of images and videos that he

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released before with the pyramids and

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the the USS Omaha the sphere going into

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the water and everything so it seems

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like it's from that same batch

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yeah I see in the chat a guy named Dave

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Mills is asking do we have any idea of

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the size of the sphere I've seen I've

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seen approximations from between 5 to 15

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feet is that about right Sean yeah what

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um was so what I was able to do is I

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um did like a quick measurement of it

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it's it's you know is it reliable I

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don't know because I don't know how

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close it is to the camera it's very

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important far away so I just kind of

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you know compared it with other things

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and and kind of gave it a measurement

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here now there's it's kind of

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you know what what do you see when you

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look at that a lot of people see that

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and are mentioning the Chrome spheres

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right like it's a chrome ball or a

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chrome sphere but really what I see is

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just the the white

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like the what like a white orb and

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underneath it is either like a shadow or

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a black spot on the road or something

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you know what I mean

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I could see that as well that's a that's

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an interesting point I hadn't thought of

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it that way I mean you know since we

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don't have the benefit of having the

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full video you know even if we had four

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frames rather than just one

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of it right

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um you know I think that that's and

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that's obviously going to be one of the

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frustrations of this case at least until

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we get you know knock on wood the actual

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video footage right

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um and we've already heard from various

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people that oh that'll be a little bit

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more difficult because sources and

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methods yada yada

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um showing the capabilities of these

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cameras but you know I don't know that

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four seconds is really going to show the

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full capabilities of these cameras and

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you'd think if you can Cobble together a

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hundred million dollar supply plane or

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whatever it is that you know you could

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figure out how to redact a four second

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video

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um with you know of enough detail that

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it would scrub some identifying

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characteristics but I don't know you

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know yeah and it's I I don't really I'm

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not really buying that a whole lot

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because you know you look at the the

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different marks and and things that are

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on the screen and everything so what's

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the difference uh if it's a still photo

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or you're actually showing a move I

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really don't understand and it's only

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four seconds which is kind of um hard to

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believe too like I'm sure the video has

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to be a lot longer than that but maybe

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it's only this thing is only in the

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video for four seconds right maybe that

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um but I don't know we're not going to

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be able to tell a whole lot until we see

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like a video of it moving and even at

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that point you know we'll see

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um I I you know what I get

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I'm grateful that there's news coming

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out and there's something like this

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coming out you know but I also just wish

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that we had more information you know

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absolutely now I think I mean there are

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a couple interesting things about this a

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that you know I saw that Ryan Graves

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um

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responded to you yesterday about this

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over on Twitter and was like yeah you

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know if this is about 10 feet in

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diameter I can't remember the exact

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measurement but I think he was saying

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around 10 feet that it would be that it

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would track with what was reported off

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the East Coast

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or one you know UAP

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um classification that was reported

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pretty often out there

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um I don't know if if you saw that tweet

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from him to you but um you know I think

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it's it's interesting that

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when we hear about multiple sensor

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systems these days

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they're they're people are trying to

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kind of get around and I don't have any

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kind of I don't have any kind of

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clearances I don't have any secret top

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secret I have nothing like this I went

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to art school I went to film school

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right they don't let people like me have

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clearances like that intentionally

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speaking me neither yeah so like but so

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I'm not entirely sure and I don't ask

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directly about situations that are

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classified because I don't think that

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it's in my best interest to do so right

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with sources and stuff like that but you

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know that said you know there have been

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a lot of situations where people have

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alluded to the fact that in the in

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recent years we have much better we

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meaning the US military anyway or maybe

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the five eyes has much better sensing

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equipment than they had and that it

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recently people keep talking about these

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recent upgrades that have happened over

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the last years right and so when we when

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we hear about a four second video

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in that is something of that size

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we have to remember that there are that

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there are projects like the space fence

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which Christopher melon has often talked

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about

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that regularly track from a satellite

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perspective anything that's like a

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basketball

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you know or bigger or even smaller than

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a basketball bigger coming into our

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atmosphere or it's task two right and

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there has been uh you know there's been

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some scuttlebutt you know there's been

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some word on the street that the

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Contemporary sensor settings are just

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kind of like on all the time and that

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it's basically like especially in a war

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zone like that that you're gonna have

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like the equivalent of a space fence

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on perpetually right yeah so right and

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if that is happening however that's

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happening and I don't know how that's

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happening

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um you would that would tell you that

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there should be much more data tracking

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I I think one thing needs to be clear

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here and and what that is is the United

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States government has way more

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information on UFOs than I believe we

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could even imagine I mean right right

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they have the video of that I'm sure

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they have more data on that and you know

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as far as I'm concerned we were told

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we've been told by many people that

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there's way way better quality videos

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that exist right and the government just

403
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keeps treating us like babies like we

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can't handle it and they hide behind the

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sources and methods bullcrap you know

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right

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um max Moskowitz what one of my

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um podcast buddies he uh I interviewed

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Chris Mellon and he just kind of

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reposted that video and Chris Mellon

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said like there's basically identical

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videos to the Tic Tac Gimbal and go Fest

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that that they have that they won't

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release that's not released and Lou

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Elizondo had to go through all this crap

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and Chris melon to actually get these

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released you know and what happened

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after that they put a tighter

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Stranglehold on the videos and the goods

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they moved them from one server to the

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to a different one Tom Rogan kind of

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touched on that a little bit John

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Greenwald has talked about that about a

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little bit but classification is really

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tightened you know so

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which is just so frustrating

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because

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we can handle this stuff you know like

429
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we're sitting here scraping the bottom

430
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of the barrel for for a picture like

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that we're looking at and again God

432
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bless Jeremy Corbell for coming out with

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it doing that but in reality in reality

434
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what is that it's nothing it's a blob of

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light

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it's maybe a chrome ball it's maybe this

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or maybe that like and we shouldn't have

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to

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um talk about maybe this or maybe that

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you know when there's things available

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that are that are a lot more clear and

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with better resolution that we can

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actually discuss and dive into you know

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I see all these scientists jumping on

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board and there's Chris melon posted

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this this big event that's happening

447
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with all these phds and different

448
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scientists coming and talking about UAP

449
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you know and the thing I keep thinking

450
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of is like what can they really talk

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about

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like there's there's no like data from

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the government you know that like

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they're not giving out any data for

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scientists to actually dig into and

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discuss

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yeah I mean I think that that it's good

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that you brought that up I I'm I'm

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really glad that you brought that up

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um that's that's the first online

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Symposium

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um for a new academic Journal that's

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called limina right and um and

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Christopher melon and it's an online

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Symposium that's that's coming up

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um February 3rd through 5th I believe it

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is and um it's actually really pretty

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cool

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um it's it's kind of under the Aegis of

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of SCU

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um which is which is great and I think

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here let me find it yeah the the society

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for UAP studies not to throw you off

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real quick but we have Mr Christopher

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sharp here hello sir thanks for coming

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oh you said you you would argue that

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it's very very big not just or but a UAP

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in an act of combat zone that's why it's

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important yeah and a couple more things

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hi Chris by the way it's great to have

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you here I mean if you want to jump on

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the podcast I don't know I don't know if

483
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you got a jacket on or whatever but feel

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free to join but um you know also in

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Chris's article uh Chris uh it says it's

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the first publicly revealed image from

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the US government's ongoing UFO

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investigation showing an unidentified

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craft over a conflict Zone so there's

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there's a piece of data there now

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um and you know there are it's uh Chris

492
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says in the article that this is that

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this was flying alongside an MC12 spy

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plane The Briefing describes and shows

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the UFO as moving from south to North

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adding it that it does not appear to

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descend

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um and it was sent

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now one piece of information that's

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that's kind of that's also interesting

501
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here is that it was sent to

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uh Langley

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joint Air Force Base

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uh for here let me see where can I find

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that here

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gosh there's so many ads on this yeah

507
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that's crazy right yeah yeah but uh

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I mean basically basically it's just yes

509
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an active war zone like Jeremy corbel's

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releasing this stuff and it's great and

511
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I I hope that it puts

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um pressure on on the powers to to be to

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release more things you know or at least

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give the public a chance to actually

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digest some of this stuff because it's

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just not fair it's ridiculous

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um especially for all the people that

518
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have had their own encounters or have

519
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seen things up close or whatever like

520
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share this stuff for them so you know

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people can be better educated on what

522
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they're looking at and what they see

523
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like what is wrong with you you're paid

524
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by the taxpayers I've paid you to do

525
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your job and you treat me like like a

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little kid just like hiding stuff like

527
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like I'm not a big boy like I can't look

528
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at it well who are you why do you get to

529
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look at it and I can't why can you

530
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handle it but I can't handle it you know

531
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I would beg to differ that that I may be

532
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more suited to handle it than you

533
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yeah I mean people that already you know

534
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when you're talking about how people

535
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could be

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suitable for dealing with this kind of

537
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information in the future you know there

538
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is there would be a case to be made as

539
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you're saying to already to to filter in

540
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people that have already gone through

541
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extraordinary ontological shock with

542
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regard to these situations that have

543
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already kind of had their their mind

544
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blown

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um with their with either their own

546
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sightings or their own experiences and

547
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we've seen in the past from what it

548
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seems like

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um from from what Lou Elizondo and

550
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others have alluded to and even Mario

551
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Woods last week you know Mario had his

552
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own encounter in 1977 it was heavily

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documented

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um and then you know he had a long

555
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:10,919
illustrious career at National Labs that

556
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:13,740
were dealing with you know nuclear

557
00:23:18,289 --> 00:23:15,240
material and all sorts of other

558
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:18,299
situations that are regularly surveilled

559
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,960
by UAP right and so you could make you

560
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,880
could make a strong case that at least

561
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,100
at certain levels of the

562
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,600
military-industrial complex that's

563
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:29,460
already happening that they've already

564
00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:32,039
elected to start to start filtering in

565
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:33,960
people that have dealt with ontological

566
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:36,960
shock and he's you know from what I can

567
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:40,559
tell he he's a solid citizen that works

568
00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:41,280
hard

569
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:44,460
right and keeps a healthy life and you

570
00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:47,220
know participates in the simulation that

571
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:50,280
we have running you know but but does uh

572
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,260
his best and does a great job at it and

573
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,620
he had quite an encounter as you say you

574
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:57,780
know you can't show somebody a video or

575
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,140
or photo that would be as jarring as his

576
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:03,840
actual experience was and yet he's a

577
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,419
very productive member of society so

578
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,820
yeah I think we can handle some photos

579
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:10,980
and I'm just

580
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:13,740
and I just get sick and tired of it like

581
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:16,380
the the freaking hearing that we had and

582
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:18,539
all this stuff it's like what are we

583
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:20,280
what are you doing why are you even

584
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,679
having this hearing seriously like

585
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,480
you're wasting money even having this

586
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:27,000
hearing because we we're not learning

587
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:29,460
anything why did you even come out with

588
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:32,520
a report a UAP report just like have

589
00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:34,860
Gauss and somebody an email of of the

590
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:36,360
number of unidentifieds because that's

591
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:39,419
basically all it was yeah I like I liked

592
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,580
what Ross cultart said he was like it

593
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:43,860
read as if the kind of report that

594
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,179
somebody could have written on their

595
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:47,220
laptop on the front steps on their way

596
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:49,559
in to file it you know what I mean and I

597
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,580
thought that that was great because

598
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,320
knowing him and his long career in

599
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:54,720
journalism you know all journalists

600
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,140
start as Chris could probably attest

601
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,760
um to being late with their homework

602
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:01,140
every once in a while and having to

603
00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:02,520
finish it on the steps or in the

604
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:04,500
elevator or on the plane or whatever

605
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,140
um Chris also mentions over here he says

606
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:09,240
just as an update we're awaiting word

607
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,620
from Pentagon on the orb and uh and that

608
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,080
that Susan said they're working on a

609
00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:18,900
response so you know we'll see what that

610
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:20,520
response is

611
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:25,200
um and like if if that's true like Susan

612
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,539
said she's working on a response right

613
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:29,279
there it's like

614
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:32,100
I have to think about how I'm going to

615
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:35,340
hide officegate or lie to you you know

616
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,039
because the truth doesn't take time to

617
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:39,840
come up with the truth

618
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,539
just comes out naturally because that's

619
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,279
what it is you don't have to think about

620
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,520
it you know so taking all this time to

621
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,200
think about what you're going to say and

622
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,600
crap is is already a sign like well we

623
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,279
gotta we gotta think about oh we're

624
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:55,440
gonna spin this so you know it doesn't

625
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,260
get more popular than it already is you

626
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,000
know yeah if it's anything like the

627
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,880
report for sure and Chris also says over

628
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,620
and over in the chat from our

629
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,240
understanding they've spent six years

630
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,400
trying to work it out and it remains

631
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,559
unresolved so we will try to get

632
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:13,080
confirmation on that and I did see over

633
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,720
over on the article itself in there it

634
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,760
says one intelligence Source said the

635
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:19,679
video was sent to Joint Base Langley

636
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:22,140
Eustis in Virginia which I was trying to

637
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:24,299
find earlier where imagery and

638
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:26,940
electronic signals intelligence experts

639
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:30,539
studied it for U.S Central Command so in

640
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,539
that they're they're alluding to to the

641
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:35,340
kind of advanced sensors that we were

642
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:36,900
talking about earlier

643
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,279
um and they they have like they have

644
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,559
this whole world on lockdown as far as

645
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,419
surveillance man they have it all over

646
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,400
the place and in ways we can't even

647
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:49,200
imagine

648
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:51,000
um and so so to think that they don't

649
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:52,980
have any sensor you know data on that

650
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,659
which it would just be silly of course

651
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:57,360
they have something whatever it is

652
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:01,440
um oh sure I mean yeah and it's

653
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,980
yeah these days it's absolutely I mean

654
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:06,960
you you hear about people talking about

655
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,200
spy planes that can you know focus in on

656
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:13,440
on a on like a on a dime or a quarter

657
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,240
you know on the top of a building or

658
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:16,559
something like that of course there's

659
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:17,820
there's there's going to be more

660
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,799
especially in a conflict Zone there's

661
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:22,080
there's going to be a lot more

662
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,159
um and I um I I do appreciate that a

663
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,320
little bit more information of that is

664
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:29,520
coming out

665
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:32,240
um on on the other hand you know without

666
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,620
even just giving us the four second

667
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:36,779
video or something like that we're left

668
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:39,900
at least for now with this kind of like

669
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:42,900
trust me bro you know mindset with

670
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,900
regard to to like hearing about Advanced

671
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,880
sensing hearing about the space fence

672
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,440
things like that

673
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,200
um without without necessarily having

674
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:55,919
any any anything to show for it and

675
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:59,039
again it you know I I just if anybody's

676
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:01,020
listening out there and if and if

677
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:02,460
they're interested said and like people

678
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,100
are having like faith in their own

679
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:07,380
government for example you know just you

680
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,179
know throwing out one concept among many

681
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:10,799
that you could pay attention to for for

682
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:12,360
good reason

683
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,039
um if you're gonna spend a billion

684
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,960
dollars on a space fence or 10 million

685
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,700
dollars on a space fence or however many

686
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:20,159
million dollars on a situation like this

687
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,400
you should also maybe build in a way to

688
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,340
have like an a redacted export function

689
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,000
on set machine I mean come on you know

690
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:32,340
what I mean you're going to be showing

691
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:33,960
this to people with various levels of

692
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:35,880
classification and you didn't figure out

693
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,700
how to like have like a redacted expert

694
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:41,279
function on there come on yeah you know

695
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,520
what I I bet they do have something like

696
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:46,860
that and that's the frustrating part is

697
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:49,980
they probably have a way to just you

698
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,700
know

699
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,679
um strip it of any classified stuff or

700
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,539
sensitive stuff and show it to somebody

701
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,340
because of what you said like

702
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:58,740
interagency stuff like you have to share

703
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,880
things whatever like I bet they do but

704
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:05,640
um again you know whatever it is why do

705
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,140
you think why do you think there's this

706
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:12,299
why do you think there's been such a

707
00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:16,380
like a build up to to hearings to Arrow

708
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:19,940
to to all these you know seemingly

709
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,279
transparent things but meanwhile

710
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,080
they're

711
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:27,059
you know over classifying this stuff

712
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:28,919
even more

713
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:31,980
and making it less a you know attainable

714
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,779
to for the public to actually get their

715
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:36,720
hands on what what yeah the point of

716
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:38,760
that it's a really interesting question

717
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,779
because as as we noticed two weeks ago

718
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:44,940
um when we had Tom Rogan on the show who

719
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,399
writes for the Washington examiner and

720
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,260
has a long history with Jane's defense

721
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:51,240
weekly

722
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,700
um as does Nick cook and other folks

723
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,740
um who are you know very closely tied

724
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,679
have reported on the defense industry

725
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:00,360
for quite some time

726
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:04,200
Tom Rogan you know he was he briefly

727
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,640
mentioned

728
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:06,960
um that

729
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,380
that uh there have been that he's heard

730
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,320
words that there have been kind of

731
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,360
retractions and people pulling things a

732
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:17,520
little bit tighter uh on the

733
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,100
confidential version of the intranet

734
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:22,559
that military that the military and

735
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,779
government I see folks use you know

736
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,580
there's there's a system called supernet

737
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:28,559
and there's another system called jwix

738
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:31,080
and apparently some of these some of

739
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:33,960
these long rumored UAP videos that have

740
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,840
lived on one system or another some of

741
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:38,760
them have moved from the secret system

742
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,980
over the top secret system and some of

743
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:43,440
those maybe even have been have been

744
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:45,960
even pulled altogether

745
00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:48,419
um and and the word on the street with

746
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,279
regard to that was specifically to

747
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,500
discourage from leaking

748
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,260
um and you know I mean of course you

749
00:31:02,289 --> 00:30:57,480
know you and I aren't aren't encouraging

750
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:02,299
anybody to break the law right I am

751
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:04,980
breaking the law and read something

752
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:08,940
amazing change the world just even like

753
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:10,760
you know like

754
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:13,919
be a little selfless here just do it

755
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:16,500
figure it out like but make sure it's

756
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:18,360
really freaking good don't do that if

757
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:20,220
it's just gonna be like something that

758
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:22,020
we can argue about for the next 20 years

759
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:25,320
you know only do it if it's like this is

760
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:26,820
the legit thing that's going to change

761
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:29,340
the face of the yeah you know if you do

762
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,320
it if you have that then freaking do it

763
00:31:35,389 --> 00:31:32,880
man

764
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,399
yeah I mean I think there's probably

765
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:38,039
other routes that that especially now

766
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:40,140
that the Whistleblower the quote unquote

767
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:41,940
whistleblower language has been put into

768
00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:46,140
the ndaa we can hope that that there are

769
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:48,659
and I think that there are you know

770
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:51,960
creative minded people that have decent

771
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,899
data that are able to start to come

772
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:56,940
forward in a way that's that's legal

773
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,820
even like Mario last week you know and

774
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,679
he you know he's willing to talk to us

775
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,320
before he even goes in uh to talk to

776
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:06,240
Sean Kirkpatrick or whoever he's going

777
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:08,520
to be speaking with in Arrow right so

778
00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:10,380
you know that's great and of course

779
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,059
Robert Solace is going to be talking to

780
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,279
them as well and Robert Salas has has

781
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,600
been very forthright about this

782
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:17,940
information Mario said that there are

783
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,100
eight people including himself that he

784
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,840
knew of that were going to be testifying

785
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,580
soon right

786
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:25,320
um and we know who two of those people

787
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,740
are so far right but again like what is

788
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,779
the point of all this if they not going

789
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:32,220
to share it with people they have no

790
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,620
stipulations to tell the the public

791
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,200
about any of these findings like if uh

792
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:39,480
Eric Davis or other people walk in and

793
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:42,120
testify and say yep there's materials

794
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,620
they're at Lockheed or whatever and

795
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,720
let's even say that they actually

796
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,000
somehow get access to it and get to see

797
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:50,880
it and it you know they all know that

798
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:54,000
it's legit not made by humans material

799
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,380
here it is

800
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:57,600
there they don't have to tell us and

801
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:00,779
they probably wouldn't tell us so like

802
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:03,059
you know I I just don't give a

803
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:04,500
about any of this if you're not going to

804
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:09,000
tell me you know like yeah yeah and I

805
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,620
mean me personally but but the world

806
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:12,419
like what what are you doing all this

807
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,899
for if there's no plan to actually tell

808
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:18,240
the people of the world what the truth

809
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:18,960
is

810
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:22,260
you know yeah I mean I think one aspect

811
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:24,840
with this is that like we're speaking

812
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:27,779
about limina earlier that you know we

813
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,840
need we we also we need to have more

814
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,340
pressure points and we've talked about

815
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,840
this before that we need to have more

816
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,720
pressure points kind of as a society as

817
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:38,399
people that are interested in the truth

818
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,140
and are interested in these great big

819
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:42,539
Mysteries you know because so many

820
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,140
people watching right now you know us so

821
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:48,480
many people in the field and so many

822
00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:50,940
important people in the field that have

823
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,919
I have made significant discoveries on

824
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,260
their own like like Gary Nolan or Avila

825
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:57,419
or folks like that they think that this

826
00:34:03,289 --> 00:33:59,880
is you know that any little piece of

827
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:03,299
this is the biggest story and or one of

828
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:04,740
the biggest very biggest stories in

829
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:06,840
human history which is the chapter where

830
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:09,540
we we come into contact with other

831
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:14,099
Advanced uh intelligences right and I I

832
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:16,379
completely believe that I completely

833
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:19,560
agree with that and you know we need we

834
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,419
need to continue to encourage more

835
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:23,760
pressure points that aren't people that

836
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:25,740
are paid to keep secrets

837
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:28,679
um because you know if if folks like

838
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,179
some of those folks that are going to be

839
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,520
speaking at that limit of Symposium uh

840
00:34:38,169 --> 00:34:35,520
in in early February you know if if

841
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:38,179
people are interested in transparency

842
00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:42,000
and if and if people can be

843
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,139
if it can be in their financial or their

844
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,960
their best interest in in some way shape

845
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:51,599
or form that it benefits them to have

846
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,139
that transparency then then I feel like

847
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:57,359
that's that's the way that it starts to

848
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,119
work right because you see a lot of

849
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,599
situations where where people

850
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:06,240
they they're interested in transparency

851
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,480
and until the point where you know a

852
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,820
paycheck is involved or their pension is

853
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:13,920
involved or something like that because

854
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,200
or they're they're put in danger which

855
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:17,760
is a very real

856
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,700
situation these days right and it's like

857
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:24,000
you know with you talking about the

858
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,800
various ways that that surveillance

859
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,540
happens the various ways that people can

860
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,940
be tracked very easily these days it's

861
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,859
not easy to get away with very much it's

862
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,660
not easy to blast something out to the

863
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:36,000
world and then disappear like you know

864
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:38,099
people you know people in the old days

865
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,780
they could disappear really easily but

866
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:41,280
they couldn't blast something out to the

867
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,900
whole world now you can blast something

868
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:44,400
out to the world in like two seconds

869
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,020
flat

870
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:48,240
um as long as you get like retweeted or

871
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:51,900
whatever but you can't disappear right

872
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:54,300
so it creates a little bit of a

873
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:56,520
conundrum there in terms of like how how

874
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:58,260
are people going to go about doing this

875
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,420
in the in quote unquote the right way

876
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,760
right and you know what going back a

877
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:04,079
little bit when you're you know talking

878
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:05,339
about different pressure points and

879
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:06,660
stuff and other people doing their own

880
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,820
studies agreed and only or Jacques

881
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,760
Valley or other people you know um

882
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:13,140
yeah you know the thing that I think

883
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:16,440
about too is it's like

884
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:19,380
that they're using screwdrivers though

885
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,260
when the government has a drill you know

886
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,960
right it's like fine if you're not going

887
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,599
to show your drill with me I'll just do

888
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,520
all these manually with the screwdriver

889
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,260
you know while they just look at you and

890
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,839
say he can't handle an electric drill

891
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:36,720
it's too much you know like I promise

892
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,240
you I can handle an electric drill yeah

893
00:36:43,089 --> 00:36:41,280
it may have taken me a while as a kid

894
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,099
but I figured it out eventually right

895
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:45,359
and you know in the whole thing it just

896
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:46,680
comes back to like they're supposed to

897
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,300
serve the people and this is something

898
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:50,579
we're interested in you know and we want

899
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,260
information about and and they don't

900
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,880
give it to us but

901
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:55,500
um you know Christopher sharp it brings

902
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:57,180
up a good point too the next push for

903
00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:58,320
Congress

904
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,359
regarding transparency and you know so

905
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:06,000
far I can say that they haven't

906
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:07,619
you know first of all the report was

907
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,660
super late nobody from Congress said a

908
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,000
dang word about it you know right the

909
00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:15,000
report finally comes up super except for

910
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,540
yeah oh go ahead bird Chad yeah

911
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:20,960
um that the report actually comes out

912
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,700
and let's just like push perchetta off

913
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:25,619
to the side for a second nobody says

914
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,520
anything

915
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:28,859
you know and then what they do say they

916
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,079
all go oh I'm so happy thank you thank

917
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,640
you for doing this you know thank you

918
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,520
for doing that and this and there's no

919
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,920
transparency in it they don't give us a

920
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,660
single case they don't give us a shape

921
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:41,640
they don't give us anything you know

922
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,800
other than these numbers and they're all

923
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:45,720
like oh thank you thank you so much for

924
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:48,060
uh this is looking fantastic like no it

925
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:49,020
isn't

926
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:51,960
it doesn't look good at all there's no

927
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,800
transparency right you know and it's and

928
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:57,839
it's true that even if you know as

929
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,119
others have said if

930
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:02,940
that very short report could have easily

931
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:07,140
had a few unexplained cases it could

932
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,579
have you know it could have had five

933
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,680
cases in there where it's just like a

934
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:12,240
quick blow by blow of the kind of

935
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:15,060
examples of unidentified situations just

936
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,980
the five most compelling unidentified

937
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,720
ones they could have easily done that it

938
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,940
was not that was not what they were and

939
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,520
by not having that you can tell that

940
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:25,020
that's not what they were out to do they

941
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,960
were not sure to to to entice people to

942
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:29,520
be interested in the subject they were

943
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,220
trying to explain it away Project Blue

944
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,079
Book style early project book lifestyle

945
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,440
right anyway

946
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,540
give an example of each case you know

947
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:41,579
here's one of the drones that we've got

948
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:42,900
here's one of the balloons that we got

949
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,300
here's one of the ones that kind of

950
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:47,700
seemed to make crazy moves that we need

951
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:50,220
to study more here's this here's that

952
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,910
just freaking show us man otherwise then

953
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,320
we have people like corbel getting you

954
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:00,060
know putting stuff out creating the

955
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,240
whole podcast around it right you know

956
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,220
and

957
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,380
in doing all that

958
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,079
because the government secrecy you know

959
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,240
like that yeah they're doing this to

960
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,640
themselves and

961
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,980
you know you have a lot other people a

962
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,500
lot of other people like actual real

963
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:22,560
grifters who go out there and do crazy

964
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,300
things and just take advantage of that

965
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:26,880
all the time and fool people take their

966
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,980
money steal their money whatever you

967
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:30,720
know and that's all because of the

968
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,050
I mean yeah I know I'm being pretty hard

969
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:39,000
on it but no no no we need to be real at

970
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,700
some point right sure yeah well and

971
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:43,740
another thing I mean here's another like

972
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:46,680
little gem of advice along with redacted

973
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,339
export function right now if if if

974
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,560
you're going to do a slow rolling

975
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,480
disclosure campaign if you're going to

976
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,640
slow roll this process as has been

977
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,500
seemingly done for the last five years

978
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:00,119
right

979
00:40:05,329 --> 00:40:02,280
um Drip by drip you know kind of like

980
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,339
moving moving moving

981
00:40:09,790 --> 00:40:08,640
one yard or two yards or five yards each

982
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:09,800
year

983
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,380
now if you were to do that and if you

984
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,359
were to be at like a really precarious

985
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:17,640
point in history a really precarious

986
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:20,220
point in human history where you know

987
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:23,940
there's there's a huge escalation of

988
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:27,780
arms in the Ukraine and we're now we've

989
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:29,099
just agreed to send a bunch of Tanks

990
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,660
over there so it's Germany so it's

991
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,400
Poland and they're already saying like

992
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,800
oh they won't get there for months you

993
00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:36,000
know they won't be able to be on the

994
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:37,380
front lines for months because they have

995
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,520
to train people in and all this stuff

996
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,680
and you know what they're telling you is

997
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:42,660
not just that the time that the tanks

998
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,339
are going there but that they're already

999
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:46,560
anticipating that this conflict is not

1000
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:49,320
going to be over for anytime soon right

1001
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:51,720
I mean that that's that's the piece of

1002
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:53,099
news that people are really supposed to

1003
00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:54,660
hear right now they're bracing people

1004
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:57,240
for the fact that a there should be like

1005
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,740
much there's going to be much more

1006
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:00,300
escalation and then it's going to be

1007
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,760
like months and you know months if not

1008
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:05,040
years of this right that's that's what

1009
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:07,260
the new uses it's not the tanks it's

1010
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:10,020
it's that it's the schedule and along

1011
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:11,880
those lines you know we're looking at a

1012
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,099
schedule here with regard to like how

1013
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,560
this information is being dispersed how

1014
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,900
it's coming out to us and one thing that

1015
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:21,599
I would suggest is if you're if you

1016
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:24,359
would like to have the Good Will of the

1017
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:26,099
people or if you would if you're

1018
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:27,900
concerned about people running around in

1019
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:30,359
the streets ontological shock or people

1020
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,780
having massive distrust and and who's

1021
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:35,880
they're paying their taxes to just

1022
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,339
release it yourselves don't sneak it out

1023
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,500
don't don't you know like give a video

1024
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,020
like let Chris millin leak it to the New

1025
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:45,000
York Times to you know to put it you

1026
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,859
know well you could do that and that was

1027
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:48,359
great that that did happen like that

1028
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,480
right that's perfect for them but if you

1029
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:53,640
really want to get people back on board

1030
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:57,420
and to make people feel safe at all

1031
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,599
you know what I mean then then you know

1032
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,760
there's really easy places to start here

1033
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,280
instead of giving people screen grab

1034
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,160
giving screen grabs to like you know the

1035
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,140
the hippest person under 50 that you can

1036
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,660
find that is like aligned with you you

1037
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:14,160
know what I mean or whatever it's gonna

1038
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,420
be

1039
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,480
um I mean that's that's just me but you

1040
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,119
know let people write their stories

1041
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,920
after the government releases it you

1042
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:24,720
know or whatever versus you know because

1043
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:26,579
he you get so many like

1044
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,579
like little leaks too people like in the

1045
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,220
dod talking to other people like one's

1046
00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:34,500
talking to Julian Barnes you know and

1047
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:36,839
he's writing this crappy article that

1048
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:38,940
pisses everybody off the report doesn't

1049
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:41,400
even come out for months you know and

1050
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,320
then you actually have somebody getting

1051
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:44,880
um some accurate information like Chris

1052
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,820
sharp and you know the Daily Mail who

1053
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,460
actually got accurate information you

1054
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:52,560
know and then even the orb thing they

1055
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,119
talked about and then here's the picture

1056
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,760
of it like why are they doing

1057
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:58,560
the government's job

1058
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:00,119
you know that's what the government

1059
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:02,040
should be doing why are they doing it

1060
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:05,400
you know like I'm not paying them taxes

1061
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:08,339
I should be I guess you know yeah we

1062
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:10,020
should yeah that should be that should

1063
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:12,260
be in the pie chart next year like like

1064
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:15,540
1.1 you know you know one penny is going

1065
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,900
to Jeremy Corbell over there right taxes

1066
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:20,880
as he delivers this government

1067
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,000
information to me yeah and like if

1068
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:25,920
Jeremy you know or George sees us in the

1069
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,380
future you know George you know God

1070
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,760
bless you for doing the work that you've

1071
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:32,220
been doing for for 40 plus years you

1072
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:33,780
know thank you Jeremy for for getting

1073
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:36,480
out what you're doing but uh you know

1074
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,760
for those of us that are in the chat

1075
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:40,619
um please you know give at least a penny

1076
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:42,300
each of you to Chris sharp he needs a

1077
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:45,480
holiday he says and then meanwhile these

1078
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,980
people go out and they do all this stuff

1079
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,680
like Chris corbellum nap or whatever and

1080
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:51,359
you just have these you know we've

1081
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:52,920
talked about this so many times but then

1082
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,740
you just have like these uh uh armchair

1083
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:58,020
quarterbacks just like complaining the

1084
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,420
whole time you know like you're talking

1085
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,220
about us right you're talking yeah no

1086
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,280
well no you know like other people who

1087
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:07,200
just can't wait to pounce on it and say

1088
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,780
how stupid it is you know just like what

1089
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,560
do you

1090
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:11,760
it's

1091
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:13,380
you know for the love of God everybody

1092
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,140
just stop listening to those people like

1093
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:18,599
I'm so tired of people like retweeting a

1094
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,000
debunkers thing and going this is why

1095
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,920
this person's stupid or whatever just

1096
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,140
stop sharing it stop giving this person

1097
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:27,540
attention because when you do

1098
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:30,300
there could be one more person that it

1099
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,260
reaches that is maybe a pessimist or

1100
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:36,300
having a bad day that latches on to it

1101
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,770
yeah I agree I agree I think one thing

1102
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,760
to pay attention to is that you know

1103
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,520
people people go to Mick West you know

1104
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:52,079
he's shown up even in the New York Times

1105
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:54,180
and that Julian Barnes piece and you

1106
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:55,980
know he's he's shown up at different

1107
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,240
places

1108
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,119
um and that he's like a go-to for

1109
00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:03,480
debunking UAP situations and you know

1110
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,859
for what reason the guy's just a video

1111
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:07,020
game designer you know and he's like a

1112
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,520
retired video game designer he doesn't

1113
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:10,319
even make video games anymore he used to

1114
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,660
you know what what you know why who

1115
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:13,680
cares

1116
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,420
um you know why they care they care

1117
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:18,240
because we care right if we stop giving

1118
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,700
them oxygen he wouldn't be the go-to guy

1119
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:22,740
anymore because we wouldn't care about

1120
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:24,900
him they look at us

1121
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,180
they literally look at our field and go

1122
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,520
like okay who's you know who's you know

1123
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:31,079
we have to give the counterweight here

1124
00:45:34,329 --> 00:45:32,760
who's the counterweight here who's the

1125
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:34,339
other side

1126
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,520
quests in green Sweden let's yeah we but

1127
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,920
we need to think like as as a community

1128
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:43,200
not in a group think way but each of us

1129
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,940
should think about like who do you want

1130
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:47,040
to give oxygen to and if there is

1131
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:48,780
somebody that's on the other side

1132
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,180
whatever other side of the conversation

1133
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:53,880
that there is you know look for somebody

1134
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,859
that has that's coming at it from a

1135
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,839
place of good faith where they're like

1136
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:00,720
honestly trying to understand or they're

1137
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,180
honestly they honestly have an

1138
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,800
alternative Viewpoint to you because a

1139
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,240
that's going to be a more interesting

1140
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,520
conversation for you totally you're not

1141
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,560
just going to be talking to a wall and

1142
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:13,020
be in the future you know the people

1143
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,700
that you know the journalists the

1144
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:16,920
editors out there that look for the

1145
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,740
other side of this debate are going to

1146
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:21,900
find those people that are operating in

1147
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,400
good faith and will have a more high

1148
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:26,160
level conversation right yeah enough at

1149
00:46:31,390 --> 00:46:28,020
picking these extremes too you know it's

1150
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,400
like either uh it's all completely

1151
00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:34,800
debunked balloons birds and crap or it's

1152
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,020
aliens you know like these are the two

1153
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:39,359
options that the most a lot of media is

1154
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,099
trying to present people with you know

1155
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,160
which is like completely throwing your

1156
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:46,980
dart at the dartboard and you know

1157
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:49,020
landing on the pool table which is

1158
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:53,160
completely wrong like you have people in

1159
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:55,319
the middle which like for me for

1160
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:56,700
instance like

1161
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,540
foreign

1162
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:59,760
I can't look at the picture that was

1163
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:02,040
released and tell you what it is you

1164
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:04,859
know like I can't say it it's alien Tech

1165
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:07,859
I can't say it it's uh Chrome basketball

1166
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:10,500
I can't do any of that you know and

1167
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,300
that's the guide on its truth anybody

1168
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:15,000
who looks at that has to be honest with

1169
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:17,099
themselves and and think that so when

1170
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,020
Mick West comes out and says oh it's

1171
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:21,119
probably this or that he's full of

1172
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,420
he has no idea what it is just like I

1173
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:26,280
have no idea what it is and anyone who

1174
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,900
would say it's alien Tech is full of

1175
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:29,700
because they don't know you know

1176
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,040
like nobody knows and you guys are

1177
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:34,619
fighting over this stuff like the the

1178
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:37,740
goal is to put this out there and you

1179
00:47:44,770 --> 00:47:39,720
know get more pressure for for some

1180
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,870
and I mean and as people have commented

1181
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:49,440
before like listening to physics from

1182
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:51,960
the guy that from a guy that helped make

1183
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,500
Tony Hawk too which is awesome it's an

1184
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:57,180
awesome game I've played Tony Hawk too

1185
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,560
but you know the physics in that game

1186
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:01,260
are way off you can get on a half-pipe

1187
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:02,760
and go 100 feet in the air it doesn't

1188
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,829
anyway

1189
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:11,520
it isn't life just that much more fun

1190
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:14,760
that way right I mean yeah it's fun I

1191
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:15,660
think you would have learned something

1192
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:19,140
from that I know so dude did you want to

1193
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,579
cover a couple of the other stories yeah

1194
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:23,280
I suppose I suppose we should yeah we

1195
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,780
just have too good of a time just

1196
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:27,599
talking yeah we gotta stand track here

1197
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:31,440
okay so what we have next is we had some

1198
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:33,300
news come out

1199
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:33,900
um

1200
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:37,800
about a tech startup called Enigma Labs

1201
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:41,400
so DOD or Arrow or whatever is a

1202
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:44,579
partnered up partnered up with Enigma

1203
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:45,780
Labs

1204
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,220
um to

1205
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:49,740
you know kind of streamline data I guess

1206
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:51,540
so

1207
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,359
if you want to start talking about it

1208
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,060
I'll get my Link My Links set up here so

1209
00:49:03,490 --> 00:48:58,800
people can see it basically Brian Bender

1210
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:06,109
would you like to start maybe with the

1211
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,760
about page on Enigma lamps and we could

1212
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,160
kind of like set up who Enigma Labs say

1213
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,720
that they are and then we could kind of

1214
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,640
go from there or something yeah sure

1215
00:49:21,849 --> 00:49:17,760
yeah we could do that okay cool

1216
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:21,859
so if I can find it yeah it's just

1217
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:26,040
enigmalabs.io about yeah yeah

1218
00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:26,700
um

1219
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:29,819
now Enigma here let me I'll wait until

1220
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:32,640
you get stuff up here but they've got IO

1221
00:49:39,069 --> 00:49:36,060
like we have.com dot org dot net now

1222
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,079
there's IO I mean if you like getting

1223
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,060
enigma.com these days is probably you

1224
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,040
know that would you know that would be

1225
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:47,160
at the cost of pretty penny but um so I

1226
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:50,099
O right but Enigma essentially okay they

1227
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,140
say our mission to advance progress on

1228
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,720
UAP using Cutting Edge technology and

1229
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,000
social intelligence only through

1230
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:59,339
thoughtful open-minded study of identif

1231
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,140
unidentified phenomena can we get

1232
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:03,780
answers we're focused on building and

1233
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:06,660
keep our team low profile for privacy

1234
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,900
now it's funny that like even within the

1235
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:12,540
first two sentences like they feel like

1236
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:15,240
saying that is important with regard to

1237
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,220
their mission but we can we'll get back

1238
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:20,280
to that later okay then immediately they

1239
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,339
say get on the app get on the IOS app

1240
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,680
waitlist okay so they just told you

1241
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:26,880
they're not going to tell you who they

1242
00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:28,440
are however if you want to get on the

1243
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,819
waitlist for the app that they you don't

1244
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:32,280
even know exists yet uh go ahead for it

1245
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:35,460
anyway I'm not okay let's just cut the

1246
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,339
here like right you can't jump into

1247
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:41,160
the UFO community in the UFO field and

1248
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:43,319
all this stuff and and not tell people

1249
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:46,260
who you are and start off with secrecy

1250
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,300
which is the whole reason we're here to

1251
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,440
begin with

1252
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,800
you know we're here at this stage

1253
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,680
because of Secrets you know and people

1254
00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:58,020
hiding things and they come in here and

1255
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,640
say we're not telling you anything about

1256
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:03,119
us you know other than uh Alejandro

1257
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,740
Rojas

1258
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,440
um is our PR guy okay and we're telling

1259
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:09,599
you that because he talks so you got to

1260
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:12,059
put a name to it you know like what the

1261
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:15,240
hell is that like uh

1262
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,599
you know yeah and whatever they could be

1263
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:20,160
doing something great their app could be

1264
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,020
fantastic they could you know

1265
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:24,300
revolutionize the whole UAP world you

1266
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:27,240
know whatever just like

1267
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:30,359
what are you ashamed of like it makes me

1268
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:32,819
think like you don't want people to to

1269
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:35,220
find out what they would find out by

1270
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:36,660
looking into these people because you

1271
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,420
have yeah ufologists are some of the

1272
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:41,640
best researchers that exist and if you

1273
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,020
put names

1274
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:45,359
on Enigma Labs they're all going to get

1275
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:47,579
researched so instead of being lazy and

1276
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,140
maybe picking people with the Shady

1277
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,480
history why don't you just pick good

1278
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,720
reputable outstanding citizens well and

1279
00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:56,640
here and there's another thing okay so

1280
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:59,160
as far as setup goes you know Enigma

1281
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:01,859
lamps they say that they're trying to

1282
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,359
build a comprehensive database of of

1283
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:08,220
sightings with parameters they want to

1284
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:09,960
make a central kind of reporting house

1285
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,740
much as like new Ford and mufon and

1286
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:15,420
others over the years nightcap and

1287
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:18,420
others have done right right and and so

1288
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:20,700
they want to make the new version of

1289
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,440
that with an app and they want to kind

1290
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:24,000
of make it fun they want to have cool

1291
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:27,480
maps you know they want to have a social

1292
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,780
media aspect to them you know I saw the

1293
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,359
other day that that they are hiring

1294
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:35,520
right now they're they're based out of

1295
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:37,260
New York by the way I'm like pointing

1296
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:39,000
generally in the direction of their

1297
00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:43,619
office and and in Midtown Manhattan but

1298
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:45,780
you know they're hiring right now for a

1299
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,200
community manager you know and and um

1300
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:50,880
somebody pointed out to me because you

1301
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:52,619
know like I'm a community manager I

1302
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,180
manage the community of the experiencer

1303
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:57,180
group or I have and until I recently

1304
00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,819
um gave that part of the job over to a

1305
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:02,760
wonderful uh associate of my name Robin

1306
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:05,099
Lasseter he's another staff person sure

1307
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,500
so anyway so somebody sent it to me

1308
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:09,420
because they were like hey man look at

1309
00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:11,700
that and I was like wait a second and

1310
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:13,319
and I started reading it and I was like

1311
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,180
gosh they're they're seriously going to

1312
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,700
pay somebody 95 I think it was like 95

1313
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:20,400
it was about as close to six figures to

1314
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:22,260
do a community manager job which is an

1315
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,579
extraordinary amount of money for a

1316
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,619
community management position yeah now

1317
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:27,839
you know and so like there's they're

1318
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:29,220
definitely they definitely have money

1319
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:32,460
behind them they're definitely trying to

1320
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,559
to make a wave here and and in my

1321
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:40,800
estimation you know they've they've

1322
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:42,420
started off

1323
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:45,540
like on a colossally bad foot with

1324
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,059
regard to to

1325
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:50,339
um to even within the first couple

1326
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:51,960
sentences saying

1327
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:54,059
you know we're taking an open-minded

1328
00:53:57,730 --> 00:53:55,980
approach and you if you want to

1329
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,740
know who we are

1330
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,540
what what another thing you're doing is

1331
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,980
they're not taking the risk all of us

1332
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:04,020
take by putting our face on this like

1333
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:06,839
they don't want to have to deal with uh

1334
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:08,700
their their friend or whatever going oh

1335
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,940
so you're into this alien stuff now huh

1336
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:14,160
like how is that and now they can't go

1337
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,020
to the cool Brooklyn party with all the

1338
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,000
hoity-toities because they're the alien

1339
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,359
person now you know yeah there could be

1340
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,520
some of that too too you gotta put it on

1341
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,200
the line if you want to participate Mike

1342
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,720
I'm sorry right and and you know there

1343
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:29,700
there are a couple aspects of this that

1344
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:33,180
I you know you can make I'm just a

1345
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,220
devil's advocacy case here you know I

1346
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:38,880
you know it is understandable that if

1347
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,000
they knew or they anticipated that they

1348
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:44,160
were going to be working with arrow or

1349
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,160
whatever office if they were at just at

1350
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:50,160
the outset you know like getting

1351
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:53,819
themselves ready to partner with the

1352
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,460
intelligence Community or you know some

1353
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:58,079
aspect of the military-industrial

1354
00:55:01,849 --> 00:54:59,940
complex I mean it would be

1355
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,859
understandable why they'd want to put

1356
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,319
some Protections in place not saying

1357
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:06,000
that that's the best way to do it but

1358
00:55:10,010 --> 00:55:07,559
did they you know that they'd have to

1359
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:10,020
anticipate something so you know it's

1360
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,579
it's possible

1361
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:13,440
it's always It's always important to

1362
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,240
recognize like where did this decision

1363
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:17,460
come from and it and it probably didn't

1364
00:55:23,089 --> 00:55:19,319
come from whoever is like the rank and

1365
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,099
file employees of of enigma Labs so you

1366
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,720
know there's I'm sure that there's a

1367
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,880
bunch of people over there that are just

1368
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:28,980
psyched to have a cool job in the uip

1369
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,559
space and and they were told by somebody

1370
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,599
else like oh guess what you're using a

1371
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,280
pseudonym and they're like okay I guess

1372
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:36,960
I'm Jasper Johnson or whatever you know

1373
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:39,420
what I mean yeah and you know the whole

1374
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,800
thing's pretty dumb because you can go

1375
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,900
on LinkedIn actually and and look at

1376
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:45,000
about nine ten people who work at Enigma

1377
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:46,260
Labs so

1378
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,260
yeah their their names are on there so I

1379
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,880
don't you know whatever they're trying

1380
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:53,280
to do they're doing a poor job of it

1381
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,290
because they're fake names because this

1382
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,520
article here like that that I found

1383
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:02,099
about this is kind of amazing from from

1384
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:04,859
Keith basterfield looks like

1385
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:06,900
um I don't know if it's actually from

1386
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:07,859
him

1387
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:09,420
but

1388
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,440
um

1389
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:12,300
yeah I think there's a different author

1390
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:15,000
but oh Pauline Wilson maybe okay but

1391
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:16,740
this is Keith basterfield's website

1392
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:19,079
anyway right right so

1393
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:21,240
um and for those that don't know um you

1394
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,579
know uh Keith basterfield is a really

1395
00:56:28,329 --> 00:56:26,160
really amazing underknown researcher

1396
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:28,339
he's down in Australia

1397
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:31,559
yeah he's yeah he's one of the best

1398
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:33,180
um but he hates going on podcasts he

1399
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:35,160
doesn't do podcasts and so

1400
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:36,900
um he's not more known because he

1401
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:39,300
doesn't show up on any of the shows he

1402
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:40,079
doesn't

1403
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:45,660
he's he talks to people and he's like a

1404
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,960
kind of he's an underknown Gem and he's

1405
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,880
and a lot of people really look up to

1406
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,559
him in the community you know if you

1407
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:54,780
want to know if you really want to get

1408
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:57,540
up to speed on on what's going on out

1409
00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:59,640
there uh and you have a lot of time on

1410
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:02,220
your hands to read dense blogs you

1411
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,180
should totally check out Keith

1412
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:05,579
basterfield's work because he's he's a

1413
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,700
real gem he's a brilliant mind and uh

1414
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,240
he's it's he's a real he it has there we

1415
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,220
benefit so much from his work anyway

1416
00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:16,740
Sean yeah so well this article is great

1417
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:20,099
because what basically what uh as Joe

1418
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,920
you know uh the author of this article

1419
00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:24,720
did is kind of

1420
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:27,059
um show you how there are many different

1421
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,099
databases

1422
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,960
um that or different tech companies that

1423
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,880
were trying to do this

1424
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:35,760
um phenomenon phenomena AI none whatever

1425
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:38,460
what a stupid name sorry

1426
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:39,180
um

1427
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:42,599
Enigma labs and then there was another

1428
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:44,700
one and he goes through all of them and

1429
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:46,260
and talks about him and gives you a

1430
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:48,180
little bit of the history on them and

1431
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,220
it's a really fantastic article and you

1432
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:52,740
can see that they're all kind of around

1433
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,880
like the same time too you know like and

1434
00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:58,200
you were talking about this a little bit

1435
00:58:01,490 --> 00:58:00,059
before which is

1436
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,500
um this is in the description for people

1437
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:03,119
by the way so go click on it and check

1438
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:04,500
it out

1439
00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:07,079
um but but the thing about it

1440
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:08,819
there's a couple things so first of all

1441
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,440
I think they found out who the Alex

1442
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,520
Smith

1443
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,220
which is the the name the pseudonym for

1444
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,040
the owner of enigma lab somebody found

1445
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,720
out the real name because you got the

1446
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:20,640
best gangster investigators in the world

1447
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,240
and you followed me sorry and they they

1448
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,839
found it and her husband or boyfriend is

1449
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,240
the person who is the director of the

1450
00:58:36,829 --> 00:58:33,359
movie the whale with Brendan Fraser

1451
00:58:40,329 --> 00:58:36,839
which is pretty interesting so and she

1452
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,339
is a big like Tech startup person so and

1453
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:42,780
you know that that all fits pretty good

1454
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,900
yeah so but the other thing I wanted to

1455
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,000
say is it's it's kind of clear to me

1456
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,700
that uh these people knew that there'd

1457
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:52,619
be some money in this or a government

1458
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:55,319
contract right because they all started

1459
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:56,819
around the same time they all started

1460
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,180
around like uh actually Enigma started

1461
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,880
quite a bit earlier I think maybe the

1462
00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:05,359
first of of the other database companies

1463
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:08,220
uh but they all started really pressing

1464
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:10,980
after the hearings right

1465
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:13,740
so this timeline is they got the

1466
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,940
hearings they're like oh they're doing

1467
00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:17,160
hearings man yeah we got to go after

1468
00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:21,260
this you know like in the like Enigma

1469
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:24,059
especially they haven't done jack

1470
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:25,740
all they did was sign a contract with

1471
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,240
the government

1472
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,280
they're a new company

1473
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:32,160
they they have no work history in the

1474
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:32,940
field

1475
00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:35,640
they start up and they're with the

1476
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,809
or any of these other companies that

1477
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:46,260
could put this together that you've

1478
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,380
worked with for a long time yeah and

1479
00:59:54,430 --> 00:59:51,359
we're I mean and we're a notoriously

1480
00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:54,440
tricky Community when it comes to

1481
00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:56,339
to

1482
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:58,500
um trusting the information that we're

1483
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:00,839
told because of the topics that we've

1484
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,180
been talking about all of today and you

1485
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:05,339
know you know through the months

1486
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:07,079
um in terms of like the his the history

1487
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,520
of secrecy

1488
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:10,559
um with this topic by not just the US

1489
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,359
government but by World governments you

1490
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:14,460
know we give we should we should

1491
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,900
remember to like spread the blame around

1492
01:00:20,170 --> 01:00:17,400
because there are plenty of world

1493
01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:20,180
governments that have and you know and

1494
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:22,619
platforms and all sorts of folks that

1495
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:25,140
have that have been really complicit and

1496
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:27,059
done their own job you know hiding

1497
01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:28,500
information that they've that they've

1498
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:30,180
had about this topic

1499
01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:31,980
um and so with some people they claim

1500
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,540
that it's very very well intentioned

1501
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:34,880
because they don't want to scare people

1502
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,040
and you know with some people it's you

1503
01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:40,500
know there's less reason to think that

1504
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,540
that might be the case right uh and

1505
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:45,119
they're paid to keep secrets and so but

1506
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,160
yeah this this with with regard to

1507
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:49,619
Enigma you know it's It's tricky because

1508
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,240
we don't know what they've been

1509
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:53,940
developing privately yet you know what I

1510
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,339
mean we don't we don't know how cool

1511
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,319
their app is we don't know what they've

1512
01:01:02,690 --> 01:01:00,720
really got we don't know what Case Files

1513
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:02,700
they already have or I don't know what

1514
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:04,859
Case Files they already have

1515
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:08,160
um you know do they have do they already

1516
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:10,500
have the old mufon archives do they

1517
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,700
already have

1518
01:01:17,089 --> 01:01:13,680
um Jacques valets

1519
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:17,099
um like famous for decades he's he's

1520
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,000
been building his his personal archive

1521
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:23,280
um and you know Bigelow had access to

1522
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:25,140
that for a while and and back in the

1523
01:01:28,609 --> 01:01:27,180
OSAP days and folks like that but you

1524
01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:28,619
know there are there are private

1525
01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:30,839
archives of cases and things like that

1526
01:01:35,329 --> 01:01:32,339
that have been compiled over the years

1527
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,339
and presumably you know if they're

1528
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:36,960
trying to be a storehouse of information

1529
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:39,180
they're probably looking for old cases

1530
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:40,740
and they're probably looking for new

1531
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:43,020
cases too so it's going to be

1532
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:45,720
interesting to see like what what do

1533
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:46,859
they have

1534
01:01:51,470 --> 01:01:49,859
because you know one thing is like if

1535
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,480
they've been if they're trying to be

1536
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:53,760
secretive about things we're gonna you

1537
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:55,380
know many people in our community are

1538
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:57,420
going to have a knee-jerk reaction and

1539
01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:59,160
just be like well that's totally left up

1540
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,740
that's totally effed up and we won't

1541
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:03,839
even necessarily listen to what happens

1542
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:06,660
after that but you know there could and

1543
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:09,299
so but at the same time we've been

1544
01:02:15,289 --> 01:02:11,700
trained as a community and I think like

1545
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:15,299
trained almost like dogs to like to like

1546
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:16,740
pick up any little bit of information

1547
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:19,140
that we can from like the dod or whoever

1548
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,780
right and we're used to that aspect but

1549
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:23,280
as soon as there's a new game in town

1550
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:25,220
we're just like screw that

1551
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,799
and and so and so there is an aspect

1552
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:30,480
where it's like well maybe we should you

1553
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:33,180
know like like a you know having

1554
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:35,099
pseudonyms at the outset that's that's

1555
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:36,660
that's a pretty bad that's a

1556
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:38,700
phenomenally bad decision to do with our

1557
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:41,099
community it just is I don't see any

1558
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:42,780
other way to describe that I don't see

1559
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,559
any way to like make to soft pedal and

1560
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,720
and make that make that anyway nicer

1561
01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:51,119
that's just a rampantly bad idea in our

1562
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,660
community especially with your PR person

1563
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:56,280
you think would know better or it would

1564
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,200
at least be like telling them like hey I

1565
01:03:02,569 --> 01:03:00,000
don't you probably shouldn't do that

1566
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,579
right you know yeah like you don't

1567
01:03:07,609 --> 01:03:04,559
understand like these people have been

1568
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,619
having to watch like uh you know people

1569
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:10,079
give testimony in Shadows without their

1570
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:12,780
face showing called Anonymous or called

1571
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:15,180
bird names just to try to get any sort

1572
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,040
of information that winds up being fake

1573
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:19,200
information like you should probably

1574
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:22,260
give them something you know yeah but

1575
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:26,040
you know maybe hey maybe be their hearts

1576
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:27,720
in the right place and they're going to

1577
01:03:32,510 --> 01:03:29,700
do a bang-up job and a great job maybe

1578
01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:32,520
that's the case you know I mean I I like

1579
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,640
I hope so I mean and you know it remains

1580
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,500
to be seen and this will be a developing

1581
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,880
story obviously we're going to be

1582
01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:41,099
hearing about this company unless they

1583
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:42,980
go belly up tomorrow we're going to be

1584
01:03:46,609 --> 01:03:45,599
listening to situations and and hearing

1585
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:46,619
about the work that they're going to be

1586
01:03:52,750 --> 01:03:48,660
doing and hopefully you know we have

1587
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:52,760
more to go on in the near future and and

1588
01:03:58,970 --> 01:03:56,700
I'm I'm guessing that you know it's not

1589
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:58,980
all going to be bad because here's the

1590
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:01,319
thing is that some people have

1591
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:04,640
have definitely assumed the worst and

1592
01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:07,500
that is understandable and have been

1593
01:04:12,170 --> 01:04:09,540
like oh they're some people have jumped

1594
01:04:14,569 --> 01:04:12,180
to the conclusion that like oh Enigma is

1595
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,579
like they're out to spy on the UFO

1596
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:16,680
community and like I have one thing to

1597
01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:18,839
say we're already getting spied on we've

1598
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:20,579
been spied on the whole time like

1599
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,160
there's no have no Illusions about that

1600
01:04:27,890 --> 01:04:24,960
if you're a notable researcher in this

1601
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,900
field you've been tracked okay yeah like

1602
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:29,520
you just have like there's there's a

1603
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:31,020
long-standing history of that that's not

1604
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,540
paranoia that's fact and like there have

1605
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:35,099
been plenty of Declassified documents

1606
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,720
and things like that that have borne

1607
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:38,460
that out that over the years like our

1608
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:40,920
info our our community has been tracked

1609
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,220
very happily and not not to mention the

1610
01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:46,559
fact that like you know we all carry

1611
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:49,140
surveillance devices in our pockets and

1612
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,000
we're using a surveillance device right

1613
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,280
now to podcast to each other right yeah

1614
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:55,200
with each other and everybody out there

1615
01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:57,059
we've got a camera right here you know

1616
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:59,400
what I mean like we you know many people

1617
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:01,740
know what the Utah data center is if you

1618
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,240
don't know what the Utah data center is

1619
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:04,799
you should look it up you know what I

1620
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,839
mean keystroke logging recording like

1621
01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:09,119
how do you think that Facebook knows

1622
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,200
that you were talking about Teenage

1623
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,180
Mutant Ninja Turtles 15 months ago and

1624
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,400
serves you up an ad about it like we all

1625
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,680
know we all know this stuff and so when

1626
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:18,540
people are like they're tracking us

1627
01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:20,579
they're they're it's like yeah that is

1628
01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:23,339
that one of the the themes that comes up

1629
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:25,500
is that one of the complaints that comes

1630
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:27,000
up with like Enigma like they're going

1631
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:32,450
there were there were a couple threads

1632
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:35,099
along with the one that that docks the

1633
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,500
the head of the operation that I saw

1634
01:05:41,089 --> 01:05:39,599
okay and I'm and I'm not gonna name who

1635
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:41,099
that person is because I don't I don't

1636
01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:43,260
think doc even though this is kind of a

1637
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,480
messed up situation I don't believe in I

1638
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,799
don't believe that doxing on the

1639
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:48,720
Internet is the right thing to do no

1640
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:50,819
that's stupid

1641
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,460
um it's uh yeah it's it's like the the

1642
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:59,520
the virtual way of like fist fighting

1643
01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:01,740
you know yeah I mean I just

1644
01:06:06,349 --> 01:06:04,020
categorically I don't think doxing is is

1645
01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:06,359
is something to be encouraged so I'm not

1646
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:08,099
going to say that person's Fame but like

1647
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,960
but you know along when that happened

1648
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:14,880
um other people were kind of chiming in

1649
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:16,859
and saying like you know we're we're

1650
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:20,420
under attack or something like that

1651
01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:23,040
as if it was like you followed you 911

1652
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:25,020
or something like that and like I just

1653
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:32,569
I know it is too much and I and I think

1654
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:34,140
it's just important to take a step back

1655
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:36,599
sometimes and recognize like you know if

1656
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,700
you're going to be really involved in

1657
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:40,319
this community and you're really going

1658
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:41,400
to make

1659
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:45,839
know that you're going to have eyes on

1660
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:49,140
you it's just the way that it goes and I

1661
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:52,740
when I used to help Richard Dolan out

1662
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:55,079
um on his with his members website and

1663
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:57,480
and with with his correspondence and

1664
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,020
stuff like that and and um you know I

1665
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,599
heard stories like plenty about that

1666
01:07:08,569 --> 01:07:06,180
about you know the old days and tracking

1667
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,579
and how these days generally speaking

1668
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,799
it's it's very seamless you know if

1669
01:07:14,809 --> 01:07:12,480
you're like

1670
01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:14,819
um there are so many different ways to

1671
01:07:18,529 --> 01:07:16,859
to track folks these days

1672
01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:18,539
um that generally speaking in the

1673
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,299
Contemporary framework in 2023 and

1674
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:24,000
unless it's it's you're being tracked by

1675
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:25,440
like a third world country or something

1676
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:27,000
like that you're probably not going to

1677
01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:28,319
notice it

1678
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,660
um because they've gotten pretty dang

1679
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,880
good at the whole thing yeah I I wish at

1680
01:07:37,549 --> 01:07:34,799
least these people who who would track

1681
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:37,559
you or or whatever would at least like

1682
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:39,180
um like because I don't care because I'm

1683
01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:41,579
not doing anything interesting you know

1684
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:42,780
the things they come up with they're

1685
01:07:45,789 --> 01:07:43,980
probably like man that guy's really

1686
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:45,799
inactive or

1687
01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:49,140
you know like he really likes UFOs and

1688
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:51,539
football you know or whatever like boy

1689
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:53,700
Jay hasn't gone I'm kind of worried

1690
01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:55,260
about Jay hasn't gone to the gym in

1691
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,539
three weeks like communicate with me

1692
01:08:01,809 --> 01:07:59,760
give me a tip or some life advice or

1693
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:01,819
something at least like yeah

1694
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:05,460
you took a left over there but it seemed

1695
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:08,039
a little sad it's really pretty if you

1696
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,660
were to take a right the landscape is

1697
01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:11,280
much more beautiful so take a right next

1698
01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:13,619
time you know thank you at least you're

1699
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,020
contributing yeah something but you know

1700
01:08:19,849 --> 01:08:17,520
the last story I feel like we can get

1701
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:19,859
into here if you're okay to move on for

1702
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:22,440
sure um Enigma Labs my where I'm at with

1703
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:25,199
them is they started off on a terrible

1704
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:26,640
foot

1705
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,859
um but you know

1706
01:08:32,769 --> 01:08:30,900
I I hope it works out I hope they do

1707
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:32,779
great stuff I hope they really help

1708
01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:36,960
arrow and you know I hope it goes well

1709
01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:38,699
um but most of all I really won't care

1710
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:41,219
unless they actually tell us about how

1711
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:45,120
it goes you know yeah so and and I agree

1712
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,080
that there I mean I I hope that in in

1713
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:51,719
the interest of what in the interest of

1714
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:54,299
having an open-minded framework and and

1715
01:08:59,209 --> 01:08:57,000
looking at Community Building as as what

1716
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:59,219
they say they're trying to do that they

1717
01:09:02,689 --> 01:09:00,839
should that there should be a

1718
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:02,699
reciprocality there if anybody's

1719
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:04,859
listening like like focusing on

1720
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,520
reciprocality might might when you might

1721
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:10,739
win over people at least to the degree

1722
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,080
of of opening up a dialogue in a better

1723
01:09:19,550 --> 01:09:15,600
in a in a more grounded and healthy kind

1724
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:19,560
of way and being a spokesperson is is so

1725
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,199
uh you need a spokesperson like Rojas is

1726
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:24,000
supposed to do or whatever but it's so

1727
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,460
easy to like quell situations like this

1728
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:28,560
when you just have an honest empathetic

1729
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:31,679
person and that you know takes this

1730
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:35,219
stuff on you know it just says I'm sorry

1731
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,319
we're doing it this way this is what our

1732
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:39,600
thought process was like people are

1733
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:41,640
generally pretty understanding as long

1734
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:43,859
as you communicate honestly you know so

1735
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:48,540
it's very true very very true yeah so

1736
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:51,299
um so here we go did you do you want to

1737
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,219
set up this one this is uh this is yeah

1738
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:55,440
this is a great story and it's it's good

1739
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:57,000
that if this is the last story that

1740
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,440
we're going to cover today

1741
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:00,239
um so we're ending

1742
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:02,280
here's a really good piece of of

1743
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:07,550
yeah and Liberation times here we have

1744
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:10,020
uh this January 19th project Titan

1745
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,540
approved by San Marino UFOs set to be

1746
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:14,400
discussed at the United Nations for the

1747
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,060
first time since 1978. so

1748
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:20,219
um yeah this has been in the works for a

1749
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,540
little bit

1750
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:23,760
um I remember even Lou Elizondo going to

1751
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:26,040
San Marino talking at like a conference

1752
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,500
there Mass Moskowitz made like a little

1753
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:30,239
documentary about it everything actually

1754
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:33,780
did a really great job with it icer is

1755
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:37,140
the group that is behind project Titan I

1756
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:40,140
sir I forget what the acronym stands for

1757
01:10:43,689 --> 01:10:42,179
um but there's a group of people around

1758
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:43,699
the world that are actually involved

1759
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,760
with that and yeah so we have today the

1760
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:49,440
parliament of San Marino voted in favor

1761
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:51,420
to participate in Project Titan meaning

1762
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:53,340
San Marino will submit a proposal to the

1763
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,380
U.N for the creation of a permanent

1764
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:56,880
office tasked with the preparation

1765
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,100
periodic Global conferences dedicated to

1766
01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:01,320
the scientific study of UFOs otherwise

1767
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:04,380
known as UAP and total 25 members voted

1768
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,060
in favor of the project while two

1769
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:09,600
abstained and two voted against so

1770
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:12,060
um this is pretty cool so San Marino is

1771
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:14,940
going to bring this to the U.N

1772
01:11:19,370 --> 01:11:16,980
um and you know try to get this password

1773
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,380
they talk about uaps at conferences once

1774
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:21,120
a year you know you would think like

1775
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:23,640
what's the big deal why can't we do this

1776
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:27,420
let's just pass it it's obviously uh you

1777
01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:29,340
know a world problem but

1778
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:32,040
um the what I like about it is this is

1779
01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:35,340
where it should be right this isn't a a

1780
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:38,340
data problem or uh this country or that

1781
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:40,440
country or an adverse rail problem that

1782
01:11:44,649 --> 01:11:43,320
this is a worldwide issue people have

1783
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:44,659
seen UAP

1784
01:11:49,970 --> 01:11:48,179
for centuries all over the world you

1785
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:49,980
know and we're just trying to get

1786
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:52,020
like-minded people together to discuss

1787
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,020
it so I think it's positive I think it's

1788
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:56,640
great I hope it passes I always think

1789
01:12:01,490 --> 01:11:59,460
back to the the last time

1790
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:01,500
um this went to the U.N with Granada Sir

1791
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,620
Eric Gary in in the late 70s and there's

1792
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,440
a whole complicated story there I posted

1793
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:09,420
a really great video from red panda

1794
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,659
koala that he did on the history of UFOs

1795
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:14,400
in the U.N you can find that in the

1796
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:16,440
description I highly recommend watch

1797
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,900
watching it it's I learned a lot

1798
01:12:25,930 --> 01:12:20,880
one thing that kind of worried me was

1799
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,250
I should check that out yeah and uh how

1800
01:12:36,530 --> 01:12:34,560
uh China tried to get a UAP initiative

1801
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:36,540
um going into the U.N

1802
01:12:42,290 --> 01:12:38,699
um so there's a little kind of history

1803
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:42,300
with China with this which you know I

1804
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:46,320
haven't dug in enough to you know say

1805
01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:49,800
it's an issue or whatever like

1806
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:53,580
um but but I hope it goes well so I I

1807
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:56,219
hope it goes well too we've had I mean I

1808
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:58,440
know a couple of people I I know a few

1809
01:13:01,250 --> 01:13:00,000
people are nicer anyway you know we've

1810
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:01,260
had

1811
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:03,960
um Francisco Correa from Portugal on the

1812
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:07,080
show before he's a member of icer and um

1813
01:13:13,850 --> 01:13:10,260
like I know another guy Giorgio piazenza

1814
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:13,860
um uh South American guy who uh is a

1815
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:15,540
really really well-meaning good-hearted

1816
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,960
guy that's that is part of icer as well

1817
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:21,000
I think I know a couple other people but

1818
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,920
I mean there's I you know it's a it's an

1819
01:13:28,689 --> 01:13:24,960
international body and like from from

1820
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:28,699
the get-go icer was interested in having

1821
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:33,420
like one representative in in lots of

1822
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:35,100
world countries and it was it was trying

1823
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:36,900
to get a broader perspective you know

1824
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:38,280
part of it was getting a broader

1825
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:42,120
perspective and and encouraging dialogue

1826
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,580
um between nations and you know like

1827
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:46,560
getting over the hump of the language

1828
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,780
barrier and being able to to Really

1829
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,640
compare notes compare cases and things

1830
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:52,260
like that which is which is such a great

1831
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:56,460
thing right so along the line so San

1832
01:14:01,970 --> 01:13:58,739
Marino is this if people don't know it's

1833
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:01,980
a very tiny little uh like city-state

1834
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,219
kind of like Vatican City it's in Italy

1835
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,380
um and um I think there's only about 40

1836
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:08,880
000 people that live there but it's

1837
01:14:13,130 --> 01:14:11,400
retained its autonomy rather than

1838
01:14:14,209 --> 01:14:13,140
instead of being getting absorbed by

1839
01:14:15,709 --> 01:14:14,219
Italy

1840
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:15,719
um so they have their own representation

1841
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:20,159
and they it's the oldest Republic in

1842
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:22,920
history or something yeah that's still

1843
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:26,699
around right yeah right yeah and so

1844
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:31,500
um and they uh so what happens now is

1845
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,000
that it's going to be submitted for

1846
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:35,820
review and then if it passes like a

1847
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,420
quiet review process you know that's the

1848
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,940
big finger cross moment and then

1849
01:14:46,669 --> 01:14:44,040
um it'll come up for a vote a discussion

1850
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:46,679
and a vote at the general assembly so

1851
01:14:51,229 --> 01:14:48,780
you know the big Hall at the end that

1852
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:51,239
that is over on the east side of

1853
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:52,500
Manhattan

1854
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:54,659
um that you know anybody's seen on the

1855
01:15:00,590 --> 01:14:57,360
news for for decades and you know

1856
01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:00,600
interestingly the last time that that

1857
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,580
UFOs really came up at the United

1858
01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:04,080
Nations

1859
01:15:10,370 --> 01:15:06,659
um as far as I know was back in 1978

1860
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,380
when uh when when Granada actually

1861
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:12,840
invited Jacques valet to speak on the

1862
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:14,760
floor of the United Nations there was

1863
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:17,880
Jacques valet Ellen eineck there was

1864
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,699
um I think the astronaut Cooper I wrote

1865
01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:22,080
a letter because he couldn't attend but

1866
01:15:26,689 --> 01:15:24,179
he wrote a letter

1867
01:15:30,590 --> 01:15:26,699
um a helicopter military pilot came and

1868
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,600
gave his testimony so it was it was full

1869
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:33,120
on and it actually seemed like it was

1870
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:35,340
going fairly well apparently the British

1871
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:36,719
didn't like it I don't think the U.S

1872
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:38,580
liked it either but from what I gather

1873
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,380
it was still looking like it was going

1874
01:15:45,169 --> 01:15:42,960
to pass to be honest with you

1875
01:15:46,669 --> 01:15:45,179
um and Eric Gary was on this for at

1876
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,679
least a couple years just trying to do

1877
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:47,360
this

1878
01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:50,640
and it it turned out on like I think it

1879
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:53,400
was even the day of the vote or a couple

1880
01:15:57,649 --> 01:15:56,100
days before the vote Eric Gary was at

1881
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:57,659
the United Nations representative's

1882
01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:00,179
place or whatever in in New York and as

1883
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:02,340
he was there he was getting kicked out

1884
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:04,020
of his own country by this guy named

1885
01:16:09,709 --> 01:16:06,840
Maurice Bishop back in her eyes oh so

1886
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,719
there was a coup and Maurice Bishop took

1887
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:12,239
over and the whole thing just went away

1888
01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:14,040
because the person who cared about it

1889
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,500
Eric Gary was no longer in power he

1890
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,300
wound up staying in the United States

1891
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,640
for a long time

1892
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,560
um you know probably out of fear for his

1893
01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:25,199
own life and he was tracked by our

1894
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,179
intelligence agencies like almost a

1895
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:29,640
whole freaking time

1896
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,340
he finally went back to Granada years

1897
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,320
and years and years later and died of a

1898
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,760
heart attack

1899
01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:37,920
um and then there's this whole weird

1900
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:40,020
story by Wesley Bateman who I don't know

1901
01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:41,940
much about but I I think he makes stuff

1902
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:43,260
up

1903
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:46,560
um about Eric area and why he started

1904
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,780
this which is uh kind of an interesting

1905
01:16:54,850 --> 01:16:51,360
story but I have no way to prove it so

1906
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:54,860
I'd rather not talk about it I guess but

1907
01:17:02,689 --> 01:16:58,980
yeah but but it's interesting yeah

1908
01:17:04,250 --> 01:17:02,699
yeah and um it is interesting and it'll

1909
01:17:06,770 --> 01:17:04,260
be great to have you know and so that's

1910
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,780
already 45 years ago

1911
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:08,880
um that it was last came up in the

1912
01:17:13,250 --> 01:17:11,340
United Nations so along the lines of the

1913
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:13,260
subcommittee hearing in the house where

1914
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:15,300
Moultrie and braytalk last year and you

1915
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:17,400
know we live casted it with a bunch of

1916
01:17:21,649 --> 01:17:19,980
our friends and and uh it was you know

1917
01:17:24,350 --> 01:17:21,659
the Wilson Davis notes came up and we

1918
01:17:26,209 --> 01:17:24,360
were all like whoa and uh it was a fun

1919
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,219
time to hang out together yeah and it

1920
01:17:30,649 --> 01:17:28,800
was awesome and um I am looking forward

1921
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:30,659
to what we hear the word on the street

1922
01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:34,140
is that if it does pass these these

1923
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,840
closed door kind of conversations first

1924
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:39,239
with the United Nations that it would

1925
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:40,980
probably come up

1926
01:17:45,290 --> 01:17:43,860
um on the floor uh in the general

1927
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:45,300
assembly

1928
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,219
um maybe no sooner than September people

1929
01:17:50,689 --> 01:17:48,960
are talking about September or October

1930
01:17:52,610 --> 01:17:50,699
and you know already there's been

1931
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:52,620
response knee-jerk reactions from people

1932
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:54,300
being like why can't it happen sooner

1933
01:17:58,130 --> 01:17:56,580
well you know if you deal with one

1934
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,140
government things happen slow as hell

1935
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:00,000
well then try dealing with all of them

1936
01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:03,300
uh you know yeah I love that too it's

1937
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:04,860
like well because you're not doing it

1938
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:07,560
you know somebody else yeah and they

1939
01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:09,900
have their timeline yeah right exactly

1940
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,940
and there are you know believe it or not

1941
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:13,199
there are there are a lot of other

1942
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:15,000
pressing issues in the world so yeah

1943
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:17,580
here you go look you see Jacques Valley

1944
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,260
has always had a great head of hair look

1945
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:21,440
at them you can see them over there

1946
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:24,540
second from the left there what a

1947
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:26,460
magnificent he always had great suits

1948
01:18:29,209 --> 01:18:27,900
too I'm sorry I'm just playing around

1949
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:29,219
for fun

1950
01:18:34,189 --> 01:18:32,280
um but yeah you know you wanna

1951
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,199
you want to have and there's then

1952
01:18:38,450 --> 01:18:36,960
there's Alan heineck uh two over from

1953
01:18:40,910 --> 01:18:38,460
valet

1954
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:40,920
so this was back in 78

1955
01:18:47,570 --> 01:18:45,120
um yeah now you know we absolutely it'd

1956
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:47,580
be great because part of it is not just

1957
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,980
you know having these conferences that

1958
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:51,840
San Marino wants to have which would be

1959
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,719
great for sure but just having the

1960
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,360
discussion at the general assembly is

1961
01:19:01,130 --> 01:18:59,580
that's you know that's a significant

1962
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,140
that could be a very significant

1963
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:04,320
situation in terms of validation and

1964
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,320
being able to kind of normalize the

1965
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,320
conversation on on on such a wide

1966
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:12,719
framework that it might be able to have

1967
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:15,420
waves in terms of other other countries

1968
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,920
being able to talk about this more

1969
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:18,960
because as Christopher sharp says over

1970
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:21,120
in the chat here he says like Lou said

1971
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,460
one superpower cannot be seen as leading

1972
01:19:29,709 --> 01:19:26,640
this effort San Marino is perfect and I

1973
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:29,719
agree to it to a large degree because

1974
01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:32,460
it's one I was talking to somebody the

1975
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,719
other day and it's like one of the

1976
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:35,760
hardest things about this conversation

1977
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:38,400
you know the the fact that the US has

1978
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,980
has had to has been in a position of

1979
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,960
holding the secrets and now is in kind

1980
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:46,080
of like the front seat in some ways is

1981
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:49,980
is that that they are in an enormously

1982
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:52,199
tricky position because they were like

1983
01:19:58,370 --> 01:19:55,920
they're seen as being one of of the

1984
01:20:02,689 --> 01:19:58,380
epicenters of secrecy within this topic

1985
01:20:06,830 --> 01:20:02,699
and you know other other countries that

1986
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:06,840
don't have military that don't say that

1987
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,840
they have military superiority are kind

1988
01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:11,760
of in a better place to talk about this

1989
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:14,580
issue sometimes because you know what we

1990
01:20:20,510 --> 01:20:16,739
often talk about is that the US is in

1991
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,520
the precarious position of of being kind

1992
01:20:23,870 --> 01:20:22,320
of a world leader in terms of looking at

1993
01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:23,880
themselves as the World Police or

1994
01:20:28,669 --> 01:20:26,040
whatever for better for worse and like

1995
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:28,679
you know and and with all that that

1996
01:20:35,209 --> 01:20:31,920
implies and you know that a lot of our

1997
01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:35,219
tax money goes to you know basic

1998
01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:37,800
protection and the military right rather

1999
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:40,679
than another Western countries that

2000
01:20:45,169 --> 01:20:42,960
don't profess to have military

2001
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:45,179
superiority you know they'll you know

2002
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:46,560
pay for your college and they'll give

2003
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,880
you health care and they'll do this and

2004
01:20:51,709 --> 01:20:49,920
then the other thing what do we get we

2005
01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:51,719
get military superiority for whatever

2006
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:56,219
reason right no but at the same time you

2007
01:21:00,410 --> 01:20:58,260
know as many people say you know

2008
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,420
including Lou and others you know the

2009
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:03,360
one of the binds here is that that it

2010
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:06,120
involves admitting that we don't have

2011
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:08,820
control over our airspace we don't have

2012
01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:11,940
there is actually something that is you

2013
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,280
know that appears to be wildly Superior

2014
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:17,460
from a technological standpoint to us so

2015
01:21:22,010 --> 01:21:20,100
yeah what better what better person to

2016
01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:22,020
do it than you know or what better

2017
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,940
country to do it

2018
01:21:28,669 --> 01:21:26,400
or just contribute to this effort then a

2019
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:28,679
small city-state that no one is looking

2020
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:32,340
to for Aid that no one's looking to or

2021
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:34,500
for anything right

2022
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:38,580
yeah and um I I hope it works out you

2023
01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:40,440
know that there's so many similarities

2024
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:43,380
between like uh Granada and this and

2025
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:45,960
it's just as far as like small country

2026
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,000
you know all that kind of that kind of

2027
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:51,120
stuff like and it makes me think of um

2028
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,340
you know is this a plan that was kind of

2029
01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:55,199
thought of before and somebody's picking

2030
01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:57,480
up the football and running with it now

2031
01:22:02,810 --> 01:22:00,420
again trying again like maybe people are

2032
01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:02,820
ready for this now or is this completely

2033
01:22:06,649 --> 01:22:04,620
separate you know I always wonder about

2034
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:06,659
that kind of stuff like how long has

2035
01:22:10,729 --> 01:22:08,219
this effort really been going on like

2036
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:10,739
you go back to a blue book and you see a

2037
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,620
a thing from heinek saying how maybe we

2038
01:22:17,209 --> 01:22:15,120
should change this to unidentified

2039
01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:17,219
aerial phenomenon and somebody else

2040
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:19,080
going no that people aren't ready for it

2041
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:20,940
you know like and then these things

2042
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,620
start happening and I'm just like

2043
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,719
wondering like What playbook is this

2044
01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:26,880
from you know because it matches things

2045
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:29,100
that happen in the past and what's the

2046
01:22:33,649 --> 01:22:32,219
end game you know like yeah

2047
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:33,659
um is it going to come out with more

2048
01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:35,219
information because a lot of times it

2049
01:22:39,169 --> 01:22:37,500
seems like everybody's we're all just

2050
01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:39,179
trying to start from scratch here with

2051
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:41,100
the government the United Nations like

2052
01:22:45,229 --> 01:22:43,199
everybody's just trying to start now

2053
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,239
where are we now like how can we get

2054
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:47,520
more data or look at the events from the

2055
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:49,860
past few years kind of ignoring the fact

2056
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:53,159
that there's a lot more data you know

2057
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,500
that that the government has already you

2058
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:57,960
know yeah and we could skip the line so

2059
01:23:02,930 --> 01:22:59,460
to speak and get on the roller coaster

2060
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:02,940
right away versus you know waiting at

2061
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:07,140
the back on a busy Saturday you know so

2062
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,960
um one you know our taxes bought the

2063
01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:11,880
pass to skip the line and they're not

2064
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:15,000
letting us you know so so it's like uh I

2065
01:23:18,850 --> 01:23:16,860
just wonder what

2066
01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:18,860
you know in the slow drip thing is is

2067
01:23:24,830 --> 01:23:21,719
interesting it is but I've just like

2068
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:24,840
I've just seen that said

2069
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:28,320
since the early 50s you know in

2070
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:30,120
documents like ah they're doing a slow

2071
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:31,620
drip they got to tell you a little at a

2072
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:34,860
time and right you know enough to where

2073
01:23:39,530 --> 01:23:36,060
I'm like

2074
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:39,540
is that what they're doing because

2075
01:23:48,649 --> 01:23:41,340
like

2076
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:48,659
that I've read in the Blue Book

2077
01:23:52,669 --> 01:23:50,460
documents or whatever which was about

2078
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:52,679
bodies and craft which is exactly what's

2079
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,400
going on now slow drip bodies you know

2080
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:58,320
like

2081
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,580
uh

2082
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,159
and it never happened like they died and

2083
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:05,280
it never happened and you know like how

2084
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,600
are we supposed to know we're not in

2085
01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:08,400
that same spot you know it's a very good

2086
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:09,900
point and it's interesting that we you

2087
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:11,460
know at the at the beginning of the

2088
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:13,020
broadcast

2089
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:15,420
um we're talking about Kehoe and like

2090
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:18,179
1952 1953 because you're absolutely

2091
01:24:24,169 --> 01:24:20,699
right that in in many ways in many

2092
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:24,179
respects if people go back to the

2093
01:24:29,090 --> 01:24:27,000
history of the field in a big way you'll

2094
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:29,100
see that we're we're essentially in some

2095
01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:32,640
ways we're back in we're mirroring about

2096
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:36,900
1952 right now because we're in in terms

2097
01:24:44,330 --> 01:24:39,840
of like what the public discourse is you

2098
01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:44,340
know people in 1952 I you know it may be

2099
01:24:48,410 --> 01:24:47,159
hard to believe but in in 52 it really

2100
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:48,420
looked like

2101
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,340
that there's going to be some answers

2102
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:51,840
and that that there's going to be a lot

2103
01:24:56,630 --> 01:24:53,580
of transparency about this stuff at that

2104
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,640
time and I bet if we were back in 1952

2105
01:25:00,830 --> 01:24:59,040
we would think like oh 1960 we're gonna

2106
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:00,840
you know there's gonna be open contact

2107
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:04,800
flip upside down absolutely and you know

2108
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,560
and it just took and you know it's

2109
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:10,320
definitely been longer than that but you

2110
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,540
know and and you're right so as far as

2111
01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:14,159
the drip campaign because it you know

2112
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,020
the leash got tighter for a good long

2113
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:19,679
time and you know the Condon report you

2114
01:25:23,570 --> 01:25:21,239
know I mean the Condon committee like

2115
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:23,580
all that stuff it it really

2116
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,520
it it it it changed the game in an

2117
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:28,800
unfortunate way and Blue Book changed

2118
01:25:34,610 --> 01:25:31,679
the game in an unfortunate way and and

2119
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:34,620
so it's almost like you know we hit a

2120
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:37,860
redo like on the old Nintendo and we're

2121
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:40,260
back here and like we're not at level

2122
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:43,320
Roswell yeah we're not at level one one

2123
01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:45,420
but we might be on level three one if

2124
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,340
we're talking Super Mario Brothers right

2125
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,400
yeah but and there's a lot of room for

2126
01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:52,880
growth but you know there's some parts

2127
01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:56,040
there are definitely differences too and

2128
01:26:00,010 --> 01:25:57,659
I've highlighted this before you know

2129
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,020
the first uh hola government

2130
01:26:06,169 --> 01:26:03,360
legislation passed to study UFOs never

2131
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,179
happened before in the past

2132
01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:08,460
um you know things like that so there

2133
01:26:12,830 --> 01:26:10,440
are differences that you can find and

2134
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,840
pinpoint say okay well if I'm trying to

2135
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:14,400
compare the two it's not a hundred

2136
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:16,020
percent Fair because this is different

2137
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,800
and it's in a positive direction so

2138
01:26:24,770 --> 01:26:22,260
um so so that's good but

2139
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:24,780
um yeah and I plan on doing like a

2140
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:28,139
little show or a production of

2141
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,900
um the 19 the year 1947 leading up to

2142
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,760
Roswell and shortly after Roswell

2143
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:35,040
because you really get a good

2144
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:39,239
uh idea of the

2145
01:26:43,729 --> 01:26:41,639
the mass confusion and flip-flopping

2146
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,739
that went on in the Press like and just

2147
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,840
looking at it from the Press like

2148
01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:47,760
what was the Press telling us through

2149
01:26:51,229 --> 01:26:49,500
all this time you know and there was

2150
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:51,239
after Kenneth Arnold there is definitely

2151
01:26:57,890 --> 01:26:54,600
what seemed like a little hysteria like

2152
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:57,900
the newspapers had so many reports all

2153
01:27:04,370 --> 01:27:00,960
over the country of finest flying discs

2154
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:04,380
all over the place Pilots everything and

2155
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:08,100
then the disc crashed you know right and

2156
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:11,040
you know I wonder if sometimes

2157
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:12,900
you just wouldn't explain a lot of the

2158
01:27:17,149 --> 01:27:14,460
witness testimony of course but

2159
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,159
sometimes like I think like was that a

2160
01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:19,920
staged event so that they could say they

2161
01:27:25,629 --> 01:27:22,980
have one and it really is something just

2162
01:27:29,689 --> 01:27:25,639
stupid and maybe people would just like

2163
01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:29,699
oh man it was this the whole time

2164
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:32,040
you know I mean it's an interesting

2165
01:27:37,010 --> 01:27:34,920
sometimes you know yeah and that I mean

2166
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:37,020
it's and you look at the Robertson panel

2167
01:27:43,610 --> 01:27:38,820
that was one of the things is this you

2168
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,620
know strip the mystery from UFOs you

2169
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:45,360
know yeah and one of their ways to say

2170
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:47,940
they would do that is take it you know a

2171
01:27:53,090 --> 01:27:50,820
puzzling case and then explain it to

2172
01:27:55,129 --> 01:27:53,100
people and show them how it's prosaic

2173
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,139
you know which is the same thing at that

2174
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,360
infinite Roswell which is you know what

2175
01:28:02,209 --> 01:28:00,000
Mick West tries to do what which is what

2176
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:02,219
the government tries to do at hearings

2177
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,620
you know saying those pyramids were were

2178
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:06,719
Chinese drones and not having ebony

2179
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:08,580
evidence to back it up other than them

2180
01:28:12,590 --> 01:28:10,739
being aware of a study that showed

2181
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,600
something sometime at some point that

2182
01:28:18,350 --> 01:28:14,880
made them think okay let's just move on

2183
01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:18,360
yeah really you know come on so I don't

2184
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:20,340
know I'm just I guess I like to make

2185
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:23,219
comparisons so no no and it's important

2186
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:25,800
and it's important to you know if it's

2187
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:27,600
important to know the history because

2188
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,880
you know those who you know if you don't

2189
01:28:33,950 --> 01:28:31,679
know the history you know you're doomed

2190
01:28:37,370 --> 01:28:33,960
to repeat it right so yeah

2191
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:37,380
um hopefully if if more word can get out

2192
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:39,780
and people can start to look

2193
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,400
back pass before the 21st century you

2194
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:47,040
know there's a rich history of cases you

2195
01:28:50,090 --> 01:28:48,420
know whether it's whether you're looking

2196
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:50,100
at Donald Kehoe whether you're looking

2197
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:52,260
at the work of coral Lorenzen whether

2198
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:53,820
you're looking at the early cases of

2199
01:28:59,450 --> 01:28:56,460
Leonard Stringfield or looking at it

2200
01:29:02,270 --> 01:28:59,460
through the lens of Jean Keel who was

2201
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,280
famously one of the only people that uh

2202
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:04,560
around them that was used newspaper

2203
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:07,080
clipping services to get all of those

2204
01:29:11,689 --> 01:29:09,480
all those reports that were happening in

2205
01:29:13,729 --> 01:29:11,699
all the regional newspapers around the

2206
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,739
country you know he thought ahead and

2207
01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:15,840
was and was looking to compile those

2208
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:18,360
from a really early time period you know

2209
01:29:23,090 --> 01:29:20,820
he's he's great for this stuff Jacque

2210
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:23,100
filet and Chris aubek

2211
01:29:29,390 --> 01:29:26,760
um you know worked on a great book and

2212
01:29:31,010 --> 01:29:29,400
uh and wonders in the sky and Chris obek

2213
01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:31,020
just had a new follow-up talking about

2214
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:32,940
historical cases that happened well

2215
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:36,360
before we had any flying devices at all

2216
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:38,580
right you know yeah when they talked

2217
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:40,620
about airships and things like this and

2218
01:29:44,450 --> 01:29:42,840
and it's you know it's important to

2219
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,460
recognize that you know things like the

2220
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:47,280
Tic Tacs things like these glowing orbs

2221
01:29:51,530 --> 01:29:49,380
um you know flying saucers all these all

2222
01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:51,540
these situations there are so many cases

2223
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,699
that go back hundreds and hundreds and

2224
01:29:57,229 --> 01:29:55,679
hundreds of years and the more that we

2225
01:30:00,290 --> 01:29:57,239
can arm ourselves with that knowledge

2226
01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:00,300
the more that we can we can push back on

2227
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:02,520
these situations where people try to act

2228
01:30:07,129 --> 01:30:05,219
like like it's all current and it's only

2229
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,139
since drones started happening that we

2230
01:30:11,629 --> 01:30:09,840
have these sightings yeah no I think it

2231
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:11,639
might be worth to do like maybe a

2232
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:13,980
Charles Fort episode or something you

2233
01:30:19,070 --> 01:30:16,080
know that would be so dope oh we should

2234
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:19,080
do about his writings yeah yeah I would

2235
01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:22,380
love that yeah yeah that would be great

2236
01:30:26,570 --> 01:30:24,900
all right well I guess we could wrap it

2237
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:26,580
up do you have anything else

2238
01:30:30,890 --> 01:30:28,980
I just want to say uh thanks to

2239
01:30:32,990 --> 01:30:30,900
everybody in the chat uh we had a real

2240
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:33,000
active chat today it's great to see yeah

2241
01:30:39,410 --> 01:30:36,360
Robert and water lily and Chris sharp

2242
01:30:41,890 --> 01:30:39,420
thanks for joining us uh I saw Mr riddle

2243
01:30:45,229 --> 01:30:41,900
in in the chat speaking of the year

2244
01:30:47,930 --> 01:30:45,239
1947. uh well we know a couple people in

2245
01:30:51,649 --> 01:30:47,940
here that are very well versed in those

2246
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:51,659
years back then uh so many of of the

2247
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,480
wonderful folks that come uh each week

2248
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:56,159
it's great to see you all here and

2249
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:57,600
thanks to everybody who's watching this

2250
01:31:02,750 --> 01:30:58,560
guys

2251
01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:02,760
so positive in the chat and always

2252
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:04,679
bringing great comments

2253
01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:06,300
um like the video subscribe if you

2254
01:31:11,090 --> 01:31:08,340
haven't leave a comment

2255
01:31:13,970 --> 01:31:11,100
um you know or or whatever follow me on

2256
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:13,980
Twitter at witnesscitizen you know

2257
01:31:17,689 --> 01:31:14,639
um

2258
01:31:20,450 --> 01:31:17,699
all that kind of stuff so absolutely and

2259
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:20,460
until next time I guess huh absolutely

2260
01:31:26,209 --> 01:31:22,800
yeah until next time uh thank you thank

2261
01:31:30,490 --> 01:31:26,219
you everybody and Sean I love you buddy

2262
01:31:30,500 --> 01:31:34,300
computer

2263
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:36,729
[Music]

2264
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,360
a little due respect to the Air Force I